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Oral standards essential or should we give our preference to the pragmatist who gets things done or negotiates successfully Should individuals be motivated by a desire for personal power an. for philosophy Socrates if pursued in moderation and at the proper age is an elegant accomplishment but too much philosophy is the ruin of human life Gorgias is easily one of Plato s best stand alone dialogues Indeed as others have mentioned it often reads like a germinal version of the Republic so closely does it track the same themes A transitional dialogue the early know nothing Socrates of unanswered uestions is already gone instead we get Socrates espousing some of Plato s key positions on truth and morality Socrates descends on a party of rhetoricians seemingly determined to expose them He uestions Gorgias a well known teacher of rhetoric in the attempt to pinpoint what exactly rhetoric consists of We get the usual Socratic paradoxes if we ought to be convinced by knowledgeable people a doctor when it comes to medicine an architect when it comes to buildings how can somebody who lacks this knowledge teach the art of convincing Gorgias insists that rhetoric is used to accomplish justice But is Gorgias an expert on justice No Are his pupils already just Neither And cannot rhetoric be used for unjust ends Of course This effectively trips up the old rhetorician Gorgias energetic young pupil Polus steps up to defend the old master He denies what Gorgias said about rhetoric being used to accomplish justice and instead claims that it is used to gain power This brings Socrates to another one of his paradoxes that powerful orators are actually to be pitied since inflicting injustice is worse than suffering injustice Though Polus laughs Socrates trips him up just as they did his mentor by getting him to assent to a seemingly unobjectionable proposition and then deducing from them surprising conclusions Socrates was not you see without his own rhetorical tricks Polus finds himself agreeing that tyrants are to be pitied At this Callicles enters the fray not a rhetorician but an Athenian gentleman and a man of affairs who plays the same role that Thrasymachus plays in the Republic He scorns philosophy and insults Socrates All this highfalutin talk of justice and truth and such rubbish Doesn t Socrates know that what is right is a mere convention and justice is simply whatever the strong wish Socrates then embarks on his usual procedure trying to get Callicles to assent to a proposition that is incompatible with Callicles position Callicles eventually gets confused and tired and gives up allowing Socrates to finish with a grand speech and a Platonic myth about the judgment of souls To the modern reader very little in this dialogue will be convincing Plato is no doubt right that rhetoric is at best neither bad nor good but is akin to cosmetics or cooking rather than exercise or medicine the art of pleasing rather than improving people Yet since we have learned that we cannot trust people to be selfless disinterested seekers after the truth as Socrates repeatedly claims to be we have decided that it s best to let self interested parties compete with all the tools at their disposal for their audience s attention Heaven knows this procedure is far from perfect and leaves us vulnerable to demagogues But the world has proven depressingly bereft of pure souls like Socrates Also unconvincing is Plato s moral stance namely that those who commit injustice are to be pitied rather than envied He proves of course that the unjust are deserving of punishment than the just this was never in doubt But he does not and cannot prove that the unjust are less happy since a single jolly tyrant would refute his whole chain of reasoning Indeed by establishing a moral precept that is so independent of happiness Socrates falls into the same plight as did Kant in his categorical imperative This is a serious difficulty since if acting justly can easily lead to unhappiness what is the motivation to do so The only way out of this dilemma as both thinkers seemed to realize was to hypothesize an afterlife where everyone got their just desserts the good their reward and the bad their castigation Needless to say I do not find this solution compelling Yet you can disagree with all of Plato s positions and still relish this dialogue This is because as usual the most charming thing about Plato is that he is so much bigger than his conclusions Though Socrates is Plato s hero and mouthpiece Plato also seems to be aware of Socrates and his own limitations Callicles is not a mere strawman but puts forward a truly consistent worldview and Plato leaves it in doubt whether his own arguments prevailed He even puts some good comebacks in Callicles mouth Yes by the Gods you are literally always talking of cobblers and fullers and cooks and doctors as if this had to do with our argument By the Gods he is

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Taking the form of a dialogue between Socrates Gorgias Polus and Callicles GORGIAS debates perennial uestions about the nature of government and those who aspire to public office Are high m. The Gorgias is perhaps the dialogue where the talent of Socrates shines with all its brilliance in its confrontations where it defeats and mates its contradictors sophists in particular Callicl sSocrates lets his interlocutor speak or less pretends to abound to give him the leisure to expose himself and little by little highlights the contradictions the faults And then the theme of exchanges energizes the rhythm freedom good or bad is it better to suffer injustice than to commit it Magistral

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D prestige or genuine concern for the moral betterment of the citizens These uestions go to the heart of Athenian democratic principles and are relevant than ever in today's political clima. We should devote all our own and our community s energies towards ensuring the presence of justice and self discipline and so guaranteeing happinessSo Socrates wanted to make Athens great again and along the way gave the pundits and consultants the what for His argument is measured and allows the three stooges to defeat their own assertions in fits of bumbling exasperation The virtues of work and health are explored with nary a word about the lamp above the Golden Door This notion of moderation was embraced during the Enlightenment but has recently fell from grace uoting The Tick Evil wears every possible mitten That said the argument of the good the moral hinges here on a tiny necessity the afterworld a world of never ending happiness you can always see the sun day or nightWell the current corruption of these words Good and Great have launched their own raid on the Dialogues Plato asserts most of politics is flattery and power Socrates knew that and wound up on a state sponsored trip across the StyxAll we can do is resist Resist Velvet Submission (Club Velvet Ice, in today's political clima. We should devote all our own and our community s energies towards ensuring the presence of justice and self discipline and so guaranteeing happinessSo Socrates wanted to make Athens great again and along the way gave the pundits and consultants the what for His argument Oil Painting is measured and allows the three stooges to defeat their own assertions Putins Russia in fits of bumbling exasperation The virtues of work and health are explored with nary a word about the lamp above the Golden Door This notion of moderation was embraced during the Enlightenment but has recently fell from grace uoting The Tick Evil wears every possible mitten That said the argument of the good the moral hinges here on a tiny necessity the afterworld a world of never ending happiness you can always see the sun day or nightWell the current corruption of these words Good and Great have launched their own raid on the Dialogues Plato asserts most of politics Seducida (Esclava victoriana, is flattery and power Socrates knew that and wound up on a state sponsored trip across the StyxAll we can do Essential Juices and Smoothies is resist Resist


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  1. says:

    Γοργίας = Gorgias (dialogue), Plato, Walter Hamilton (Translator), Chris Emlyn Jones (Commentary)Harmondsworth: Penguin Books, 1960 = 1339, In 149 Pages‬Gorgias is a Socratic dialogue written by Plato around 380 BC. The dialogue depicts a conversation between Socrates and a small group of sophists (and

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    A Starker DialogueGorgias is very similar in structure, content, focus and argument with the Republic. In fact, it comes across almost a half formed version of it, and scholars argue that it is in many ways like an early sketch for Republic. But unlike the Republic, which forays into metaphysics and utopias, the argumen

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    The Gorgias is perhaps the dialogue where the talent of Socrates shines with all its brilliance in its confrontations where it defeats and mates its contradictors sophists in particular Calliclès.Socrates lets his interl

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    Well, if one was to sum up, it would be hard to go past Plato’s own summary: “And of all that has been said, nothing remains unshaken but the saying, that to do injustice is to be avoided than to suffer injustice, and that the reality and not the appearance of virtue is to be followed above all things, as well in public as in

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    … for philosophy, Socrates, if pursued in moderation and at the proper age, is an elegant accomplishment, but too much philosophy is the ruin of human life. Gorgias is easily one of Plato’s best stand alone dialogues. Indeed, as others have mentioned, it often reads like a germinal version of the Republic

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    Men do bad when they do what they merely think best, rather than what they most deeply desire. That seems to be the central point of this long dialogue.The age old question is: how to get men to follow their true Will

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    We should devote all our own and our community's energies towards ensuring the presence of justice and self discipline, and so guaranteeing happiness.So Socrates wanted to make Athens great again and along the way gave the pundits a

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    This book is a masterpiece. It includes a critical text, and a line by line philological commentary. But even the reader without Greek will learn an enormous amount about Plato and related topics by reading it alon

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    An excellent example of philosophy justifying itself. Everybody has heard the whole cranky, rather arrogant and patronizing remark made when someone who doesn't read very much or doesn't read for pleasure or inst

  10. says:

    What I recall about Gorgias again from my sopho university philosophy class was that there was a lengthy discussion of orators and how they are able to dupe audiences even folks technical than the orator him/herself. That sounds eerily relevant right now given that 1.7M people voted against the Commander and Thief who in 2012 cri

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